Sunday, October 12, 2008

Some thoughts on Prayer

Initially, I wasn't going to write on prayer but this was sparked by a very good piece written by Ian on his blog and further interesting and intelligent observations by Chris and the Walking Disaster. So, I thought I'd thrown in my take on this

Ian has quite rightly pointed out some misconceptions about prayer. I hope to expand a little by highlighting what I see as two misconceptions about prayer as it is practiced today

1)Prayer as incantation

This is the type of prayer that sounds no different from a "Money come, Money come" plea to the money gods above. In a sermon given by Chris to the youth one day, he mentioned that we make the mistake of seeing God as an ATM machine - that all he is good for is giving things to us. So, it is no surprise that we we see him as a big Santa Claus and our prayers reflect that

This is why the Prayer of Jabez flies off the shelves in a Christian bookstore. We want secret techniques, ways and words of tweaking God to do our will; not his. An incantation is a series of things you say to get something done according to what you want. This is not Christianity, this is paganism, which is why we told not to babble in prayer like the pagans do (Matthew 6:7)

2) Prayer as a two way communication

I get worried when I see things like people journalling stuff like " God had a one hour conversation with me, and he told me to get my car repainted and to floss more often. Oh! the angel Gabriel said 'hi' to me as well..".

Please don't get the idea that I said God never talks to you. He does - through his Word primarily (Colossians 3:16, 2 Timothy 3:16, Acts 17:11). What he does not do is engage in some Neal Walsch 'Coversations with God' episode with you. There are people in mental institutions who take this too far. Or on the other hand, you can make lots of money with this..

Prayer is you talking to God. Period.

It's like talking to God on a walkie-talkie. You press the button down and talk - then you hang up. He then communicates to you through your reading of the Word, circumstances (both good and bad), people, the weather etc etc. So, in totality, far from limiting God's way of communicating with you - it's much greater than you think; but you need to have some objective way of measuring this - and this is the Word.

If God engages in a two-way conversation with you, then Biblically, you are a prophet. I don't claim to be one. But if you do and if you don't fulfill those requirements of what a prophet is...well, we all know what happens to false prophets, don't we?

3) Prayer as a weapon

This is one of the most abused ways in which prayer is used. Usually seen in bad versions of charismatic church back room deliverances, they involve phrases such as "Get out! In the name of..etc etc). You know what I'm talking about

So some people get the idea that once they throw in a few strong phrases here and there. Satan's going to run away and cower in fright. That's it's your words that send him scurrying...and I'm not so sure about that

Listen. Prayer by itself has no intrinsic power.

What?!? Heresy,you say...


If you were being beaten up by bullies, it's not your weak cry of "Dad, help!" that makes them stop wailing on you. It's the big, strong angry man who hears your plaintive cry and comes running down the road to help you that will.

It is not prayer that has the power. It is God. Remember those times you nearly came to grief and suddenly were delivered through God's mercy and grace? Did you pray before your car skidded off the road? I think not. God's providence ensures that you remain in him. Prayer is a means of thanking him, pleading to him, intercedding for others, crying in grief to him..but it is not a weapon to be wielded to make the congregation do YOUR will,to control others through fear and not to make you look like some superhero, just because you sound all Elijah-like.


Look at Ephesians 6:13-17. The armor of God is composed of numerous items but there is only one offensive weapon: The Sword of the Spirit .

And what is the Sword of the Spirit? The Word of God

In the next verse (v:18), Paul then exhorts us to pray, all kinds of prayer. Prayer is the walkie talkie. Putting on the armor just means you have your gear on. But if you don't talk to HQ, how are you going to know what your marching orders are?

Dismissed, soldier!

9 comments:

Walking Disaster said...

Dude!
You can always call Walking Disaster as Jason aka Amy. Unless you never realized it was me.

Walking Disaster said...

If I ever hear someone talking to me (besides myself) and I don't see anyone around and after searching around, I would probably think I was going bonkers even though it's trying to convince me that its God. I wonder whose journal/blog you were mentioning. Certainly not mine, Christianity on Jason's blog? Nah...

True what you mentioned about how God speaks to us (through the Bible and all). Like during MYF last Saturday, Mei Yan said that God shows her the verses, though it's more like her "facebook favourite quote" now. She gave good advices though her voice tone was like "you'll end up in Hell if you don't follow these advices".

child_of_God said...

nice expansion on mine. :P yeah...now i remembered the stuff i missed out. :P

oh ya. there is another 'prayer practice' that i find a bit out of place...again..i could be wrong. Its the practice where you want to pray for someone that everyone gathers around that person and everyone starts praying simulatenously.

I personally was in the group that prayed and i found that i couldn't concentrate on praying because of all the 'noise' combined from other people praying. Yeah..i know God can hear all our prayers at one go but its kind of confusing...at least to me. And we know that God is not the author of confusion.

what you think?

Walking Disaster said...

Haha about that
I'd probably disappear after service if I was ever gonna leave Malaysia. Never liked the idea of being surrounded and being prayed for.

The bjjmissionary said...

Amy, i knew it was you lah. I just thought you wanted to remain anonymous.

When I was counselling back in Uni, I heard a lot of these "God led me to etc etc" prayers. Now, some of them were harmless, but a few of them were not so. I would like to think that being Uni students, they were smart enough to use their God given CPU upstairs but evidently, it was not so...

..and the reason why is that there is a culture of peer pressure and church pressure that sometimes goes on with a leading.

Yesterday, on Discovery Science, it showed how a girl accused her father (it seems falsely)of rape after a church leader at a retreat had a 'vision' that she was abused. Her peers then supported her.

As for verses being shown, the Holy Spirit inspires when we read the Word but we have to be careful that we do not see it as a magic book (a la Harry Potter)

Ian, I don't think that kind of group prayer is wrong scripturally but it's a personal thing. Some like it, others don't.Some don't get confused and others actually are able to pray for the person whereas they might avoid it for shyness

So, I think it's more a subjective preference rather than a scriptural one. I know people who still get confused over Liturgical communion; do we ban that? ;-)

Walking Disaster said...

What is a Liturgical communion?

Christopher Sam said...

Ian, remember Passion Conference? We had the small group prayer thing? One guy with me said "YES GOD, YES GOD, YES GOD!...AMEN! AMEN!" so loudly I couldn't even think...it threw me off so badly...I think sometimes people are into this whole "in agreement" thing that they don't even realise what they are saying "YES!" to...

sometimes before the guy even finished the sentence. E.g.

A: God I pray for...
B: YES LORD!
A: Your presence to...
B: AMEN!
A: search our...
B: YES GOD!

Its hilarious...

child_of_God said...

lolz. yup yup. u mentioned it before. well...u can insert something silly after he say AMEN. smthg like "God I pray for...AMEN...all the cats in the world to be united":P he already agreed to it so....:P lolz.

The bjjmissionary said...

Jason, you know when we pray line by line during Holy Communion? That's Liturgical because we recite set lines. I know some people who still don't understand what they are reciting half the time. it's kinda scary